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posted 02-07-09 12:23 PM EDT (US) why do people think ottoman eco sucks in the late game without TPs and they never stand a chance? Does not it take the same time to train a vil. (moreover they are free!) and have not they got a superior army to win? what make difference between ottos and others about their economies? | |
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posted 02-07-09 12:27 PM EDT (US) 1 / 159 why do people think ottoman eco sucks in the late game without TPs and they never stand a chance? Does not it take the same time to train a vil. (moreover they are free!) and have not they got a superior army to win? what make difference between ottos and others about their economies?Their villagers train slower so its hard to make a come back if you get raided badly or your rush gets beaten back.. 'Rot's given a free pass simply because he's Rot.' - theferret |
posted 02-07-09 01:02 PM EDT (US) 2 / 159 even after the mosque improvments ? and is it the only reason that why it is so ? |
posted 02-07-09 01:10 PM EDT (US) 3 / 159 Without mosque improvements, they train twice as slowly as other civs' vils. Before they get all of their mosque techs, their eco is slowed down significantly because of that. ESO2: Kyle_The_Brave Clan: Proud Officer of Trỉρℓε ΣņτễηţϠ, [TΣ] 'Why make your own inspirational quotes when you can just read the side of O_Man's Ssips juices?' - A wise prophet 'The best way to die is to spontaneously combust during a drum solo battle with Lars Ulrich' - The Blair |
posted 02-07-09 01:26 PM EDT (US) 4 / 159 late game, otto's arent that weak. When you set up 3 TC's and do the mosque upgrades, you can max out on villagers quite fast. And an army of jans, great bombard and spahi/mams isnt easy to defeat. The only problem is that it takes some time before you can boom at full speed and most other civs will outboom you because of that. [This message has been edited by Bart331 (edited 02-07-2009 @ 01:28 PM).] Espacio Insuficiente Para Procesar Este Comando Windows Installer 8/22/2018 by admin 19 Comments Hola amigos tengo un problema al instalar el windows installer en el momento que esta iniciando la descompresion de los archivos casi al 33% me sale un mensaje Espacio de almacenamiento insuficiente para procesar este comando. Espacio insuficiente para procesar este commando windows installer 10. Apr 03, 2008 Espacio de Almacenamiento Insuficiente para. Con el sony vegas me instale el windows installer. Insuficiente Para Procesar Este Comando. Mejor respuesta: hola! Yo soy experto en computadoras y esta pregunta me la hacen muy frecuente. Mira hay varias razones por las que no puedas descargar archivos. Windows Installer 3.1 Espacio Almacenamiento Insuficiente Para Procesar Este Comando Desde hace unos dias cuando descargo algo me sale este mensaje (IO:Espacio de almacenamiento insuficiente para procesar este comando ) lo asocie a la ram pero no creo que. @DarylGill you should try re-registering it at any rate. Since the 3.1 installer could not detect the presence of a newer version, something seems to be badly broken. Also worth checking if the 'Windows Installer' service entry is present and in a non-disabled state. – the-wabbit Apr 13 '13 at 20:53. Por que ala hora de instalar windows installer me aparece ' espacio de lamacenamiento insuficente para procesar este comando' y todavia tngo memoria disponibles por favor respondame q t ngo q hcer para q m deje instalar correctamente el windows installer me urge. |
Ha_Luke Sig Award Winner | posted 02-07-09 01:36 PM EDT (US) 5 / 159 Spahi/Mams are just temporary so when they are dead you can't replenish them. A bigger problem is that they don't get the faster infantry training card. That means that janns don't train as fast as other infantry. So in an spamfest it's difficult to keep up, even if they have a great economy. An otto is very strong in early age 4, when have their upgraded Spahi and some great bombards from their unique church tech. After you defeat that army they have problems. 'There must be some way out of here,' said the joker to the thief [TΣ]_Ha_Luke_331 'All murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets.' -Voltaire 'A good decision is based on knowledge and not on numbers. ' - Plato Pa 23 250 service manual. [This message has been edited by Ha_Luke (edited 02-07-2009 @ 01:37 PM).] |
posted 02-07-09 01:50 PM EDT (US) 6 / 159 well, so an ottoman musn not turtle but they should slow down the enemy by harassing, raiding while he was going fast fortress or industrial. at late he must have TCs and TPs and a potential of a strong economy. at least it makes sense to me . |
posted 02-07-09 01:51 PM EDT (US) 7 / 159 There vills train slower that's one of the reasons there eco is weaker. |
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posted 02-07-09 02:19 PM EDT (US) 8 / 159 vills trains slowly, their eco only gets good once mosque upgrades+3tc's are created which is later on in the game thus giving the other civs a huge eco advantage already. As stated, in late late game, otto eco is alright with 99 vills+2 factories, but they lose in treaty often due to the fact that their units train slowly so will get overwhelmed quickly. |
retribution1423 Skirmisher | posted 02-07-09 11:33 PM EDT (US) 9 / 159 So in an spamfest it's difficult to keep up, even if they have a great economy.there is a card to make jans able to build raxes, so you can spam raxes and get troops that way, you can also get the church upgrade which helps abit. The only prob with this of course is you have to get to the point where your eco can back this up - other civs can do this faster than you and there inlyes what everyone else said. Mudkips did 9/11 - The way I see it is, I'm playing this game for the fun of it, not to prove that I have a fiery E-wang of doom. [This message has been edited by retribution1423 (edited 02-07-2009 @ 11:34 PM).] |
posted 02-07-09 11:40 PM EDT (US) 10 / 159 ottomans generally werent made to boom..but if u get stuck into doing that, you can still max vills, imperial, and spam jans+abus. Abus late game are da bomb lol, added to that mams and spahi + GB from factories and if u can, fish boom, u can own! =D i've tried |
posted 02-07-09 11:52 PM EDT (US) 11 / 159 Veteran and Imperial Jans literally tear through everything. |
posted 02-08-09 00:02 AM EDT (US) 12 / 159 no they dont imperial gendarmes, backed by a french eco, as long as the ottoman doesnt have all the fishing on the map, will completely kill jans easy cause they arent as good against cavalry as other musket type units. but that was a fine opinion indeed james, would you have anything to say on mine? iTech64 Rank: Captain My Strategies:French Semi-FF | French 2x Musket Rush | French 2x Xbow Rush My Mapguides: Northwest Territories |
posted 02-08-09 00:14 AM EDT (US) 13 / 159 Jans do not tear through anything. Skirms with the arsenal upgrade (gives them 3x bonus vs. HI) rape Jans. |
posted 02-08-09 00:16 AM EDT (US) 14 / 159 yea thats a good point too Ganzzer, jans obviously arent as great as james thinks they are, but if hes willing to attack someones skirms with jans that sure would be humorous iTech64 Rank: Captain My Strategies:French Semi-FF | French 2x Musket Rush | French 2x Xbow Rush My Mapguides: Northwest Territories |
posted 02-08-09 00:39 AM EDT (US) 15 / 159 Of course your not going to just have Jans. Your going to have Hussars, Mams, Spahi's and Abus as well. But stil - Veteran Jans are extremely strong, and if you FF they can tear through Colonial Armies easy with support from a few Abus and Hussars/Spahi/Mams. |
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posted 02-08-09 00:46 AM EDT (US) 16 / 159 yeas that is a possibility james, often veteran units are stronger than colonial units has something to do with upgrades i suppose iTech64 Rank: Captain My Strategies:French Semi-FF | French 2x Musket Rush | French 2x Xbow Rush My Mapguides: Northwest Territories |
posted 02-08-09 03:15 AM EDT (US) 17 / 159 Still, Veteran Janissaries are extremely strong. |
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posted 02-08-09 04:32 AM EDT (US) 18 / 159 Veteran Jans are extremely strong, and if you FF they can tear through Colonial Armies easy with support from a few Abus and Hussars/Spahi/MamsVeteran Cuirassier/Veteran Hussars/Falcs/Veteran Lancers/(and everything you can imagine) are extremely strong, and if you FF they can tear through Colonial Armies easy with support from Ronin/Elmeti/Highlander/Swiss Pikemen/Jaeger and some more mercs. Of course you gonna beat an age 2 army with an age 3 army! Imperial Jans are strong, but don't counter cav as good as other (equally upgraded) HI. That plus the fact that you can't keep spamming them, makes them vulnerable late game. 'There must be some way out of here,' said the joker to the thief [TΣ]_Ha_Luke_331 'All murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets.' -Voltaire 'A good decision is based on knowledge and not on numbers. ' - Plato |
posted 02-08-09 08:19 AM EDT (US) 19 / 159 Yes, Jans are strong, they beat imperial musketeers one on one, and they are equal or better than royal guard musketeers one on one. In a sense, jans are like the ottoman's royal guard/unique musketeer. If I ever play ottomans, I would spam artillery and cav. They have cards for both. Abus have around 200 damage v infantry late game, and their imperial grens and imperial gardeners can really put a dent in their army. RESIGNED FROM AGE OF EMPIRES until further notice Rush Strategies - Russian and French The Complete Guide to the Russians The Ottoman Semi-FF ESO: Arcane_Ranger - Official Officer Of The A-US Blue Seals Clan |
posted 02-08-09 10:46 AM EDT (US) 20 / 159 they dont beat brits royal guard Mudkips did 9/11 - The way I see it is, I'm playing this game for the fun of it, not to prove that I have a fiery E-wang of doom. |
posted 02-08-09 11:45 AM EDT (US) 21 / 159 The brits fully upgraded musketeers are OP. |
posted 02-08-09 12:40 PM EDT (US) 22 / 159 they arent exactly op tyler, they are simply one of the brits advantages. iTech64 Rank: Captain My Strategies:French Semi-FF | French 2x Musket Rush | French 2x Xbow Rush My Mapguides: Northwest Territories |
posted 02-08-09 01:15 PM EDT (US) 23 / 159 i think that no upgrades for imperial abus would easily kill FU imperial redcoats, dont ya think? |
posted 02-08-09 01:58 PM EDT (US) 24 / 159 They might not be OP I guess, but they are really strong and there is just no chance as russia vs them with strelets or musk . |
posted 02-07-09 01:02 PM EDT (US) 2 / 159 even after the mosque improvments ? and is it the only reason that why it is so ? |
posted 02-07-09 01:10 PM EDT (US) 3 / 159 Without mosque improvements, they train twice as slowly as other civs' vils. Before they get all of their mosque techs, their eco is slowed down significantly because of that. ESO2: Kyle_The_Brave Clan: Proud Officer of Trỉρℓε ΣņτễηţϠ, [TΣ] 'Why make your own inspirational quotes when you can just read the side of O_Man's Ssips juices?' - A wise prophet 'The best way to die is to spontaneously combust during a drum solo battle with Lars Ulrich' - The Blair |
posted 02-07-09 01:26 PM EDT (US) 4 / 159 late game, otto's arent that weak. When you set up 3 TC's and do the mosque upgrades, you can max out on villagers quite fast. And an army of jans, great bombard and spahi/mams isnt easy to defeat. The only problem is that it takes some time before you can boom at full speed and most other civs will outboom you because of that. [This message has been edited by Bart331 (edited 02-07-2009 @ 01:28 PM).] Espacio Insuficiente Para Procesar Este Comando Windows Installer 8/22/2018 by admin 19 Comments Hola amigos tengo un problema al instalar el windows installer en el momento que esta iniciando la descompresion de los archivos casi al 33% me sale un mensaje Espacio de almacenamiento insuficiente para procesar este comando. Espacio insuficiente para procesar este commando windows installer 10. Apr 03, 2008 Espacio de Almacenamiento Insuficiente para. Con el sony vegas me instale el windows installer. Insuficiente Para Procesar Este Comando. Mejor respuesta: hola! Yo soy experto en computadoras y esta pregunta me la hacen muy frecuente. Mira hay varias razones por las que no puedas descargar archivos. Windows Installer 3.1 Espacio Almacenamiento Insuficiente Para Procesar Este Comando Desde hace unos dias cuando descargo algo me sale este mensaje (IO:Espacio de almacenamiento insuficiente para procesar este comando ) lo asocie a la ram pero no creo que. @DarylGill you should try re-registering it at any rate. Since the 3.1 installer could not detect the presence of a newer version, something seems to be badly broken. Also worth checking if the 'Windows Installer' service entry is present and in a non-disabled state. – the-wabbit Apr 13 '13 at 20:53. Por que ala hora de instalar windows installer me aparece ' espacio de lamacenamiento insuficente para procesar este comando' y todavia tngo memoria disponibles por favor respondame q t ngo q hcer para q m deje instalar correctamente el windows installer me urge. |
Ha_Luke Sig Award Winner | posted 02-07-09 01:36 PM EDT (US) 5 / 159 Spahi/Mams are just temporary so when they are dead you can't replenish them. A bigger problem is that they don't get the faster infantry training card. That means that janns don't train as fast as other infantry. So in an spamfest it's difficult to keep up, even if they have a great economy. An otto is very strong in early age 4, when have their upgraded Spahi and some great bombards from their unique church tech. After you defeat that army they have problems. 'There must be some way out of here,' said the joker to the thief [TΣ]_Ha_Luke_331 'All murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets.' -Voltaire 'A good decision is based on knowledge and not on numbers. ' - Plato Pa 23 250 service manual. [This message has been edited by Ha_Luke (edited 02-07-2009 @ 01:37 PM).] |
posted 02-07-09 01:50 PM EDT (US) 6 / 159 well, so an ottoman musn not turtle but they should slow down the enemy by harassing, raiding while he was going fast fortress or industrial. at late he must have TCs and TPs and a potential of a strong economy. at least it makes sense to me . |
posted 02-07-09 01:51 PM EDT (US) 7 / 159 There vills train slower that's one of the reasons there eco is weaker. |
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posted 02-07-09 02:19 PM EDT (US) 8 / 159 vills trains slowly, their eco only gets good once mosque upgrades+3tc's are created which is later on in the game thus giving the other civs a huge eco advantage already. As stated, in late late game, otto eco is alright with 99 vills+2 factories, but they lose in treaty often due to the fact that their units train slowly so will get overwhelmed quickly. |
retribution1423 Skirmisher | posted 02-07-09 11:33 PM EDT (US) 9 / 159 So in an spamfest it's difficult to keep up, even if they have a great economy.there is a card to make jans able to build raxes, so you can spam raxes and get troops that way, you can also get the church upgrade which helps abit. The only prob with this of course is you have to get to the point where your eco can back this up - other civs can do this faster than you and there inlyes what everyone else said. Mudkips did 9/11 - The way I see it is, I'm playing this game for the fun of it, not to prove that I have a fiery E-wang of doom. [This message has been edited by retribution1423 (edited 02-07-2009 @ 11:34 PM).] |
posted 02-07-09 11:40 PM EDT (US) 10 / 159 ottomans generally werent made to boom..but if u get stuck into doing that, you can still max vills, imperial, and spam jans+abus. Abus late game are da bomb lol, added to that mams and spahi + GB from factories and if u can, fish boom, u can own! =D i've tried |
posted 02-07-09 11:52 PM EDT (US) 11 / 159 Veteran and Imperial Jans literally tear through everything. |
posted 02-08-09 00:02 AM EDT (US) 12 / 159 no they dont imperial gendarmes, backed by a french eco, as long as the ottoman doesnt have all the fishing on the map, will completely kill jans easy cause they arent as good against cavalry as other musket type units. but that was a fine opinion indeed james, would you have anything to say on mine? iTech64 Rank: Captain My Strategies:French Semi-FF | French 2x Musket Rush | French 2x Xbow Rush My Mapguides: Northwest Territories |
posted 02-08-09 00:14 AM EDT (US) 13 / 159 Jans do not tear through anything. Skirms with the arsenal upgrade (gives them 3x bonus vs. HI) rape Jans. |
posted 02-08-09 00:16 AM EDT (US) 14 / 159 yea thats a good point too Ganzzer, jans obviously arent as great as james thinks they are, but if hes willing to attack someones skirms with jans that sure would be humorous iTech64 Rank: Captain My Strategies:French Semi-FF | French 2x Musket Rush | French 2x Xbow Rush My Mapguides: Northwest Territories |
posted 02-08-09 00:39 AM EDT (US) 15 / 159 Of course your not going to just have Jans. Your going to have Hussars, Mams, Spahi's and Abus as well. But stil - Veteran Jans are extremely strong, and if you FF they can tear through Colonial Armies easy with support from a few Abus and Hussars/Spahi/Mams. |
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posted 02-08-09 00:46 AM EDT (US) 16 / 159 yeas that is a possibility james, often veteran units are stronger than colonial units has something to do with upgrades i suppose iTech64 Rank: Captain My Strategies:French Semi-FF | French 2x Musket Rush | French 2x Xbow Rush My Mapguides: Northwest Territories |
posted 02-08-09 03:15 AM EDT (US) 17 / 159 Still, Veteran Janissaries are extremely strong. |
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posted 02-08-09 04:32 AM EDT (US) 18 / 159 Veteran Jans are extremely strong, and if you FF they can tear through Colonial Armies easy with support from a few Abus and Hussars/Spahi/MamsVeteran Cuirassier/Veteran Hussars/Falcs/Veteran Lancers/(and everything you can imagine) are extremely strong, and if you FF they can tear through Colonial Armies easy with support from Ronin/Elmeti/Highlander/Swiss Pikemen/Jaeger and some more mercs. Of course you gonna beat an age 2 army with an age 3 army! Imperial Jans are strong, but don't counter cav as good as other (equally upgraded) HI. That plus the fact that you can't keep spamming them, makes them vulnerable late game. 'There must be some way out of here,' said the joker to the thief [TΣ]_Ha_Luke_331 'All murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets.' -Voltaire 'A good decision is based on knowledge and not on numbers. ' - Plato |
posted 02-08-09 08:19 AM EDT (US) 19 / 159 Yes, Jans are strong, they beat imperial musketeers one on one, and they are equal or better than royal guard musketeers one on one. In a sense, jans are like the ottoman's royal guard/unique musketeer. If I ever play ottomans, I would spam artillery and cav. They have cards for both. Abus have around 200 damage v infantry late game, and their imperial grens and imperial gardeners can really put a dent in their army. RESIGNED FROM AGE OF EMPIRES until further notice Rush Strategies - Russian and French The Complete Guide to the Russians The Ottoman Semi-FF ESO: Arcane_Ranger - Official Officer Of The A-US Blue Seals Clan |
posted 02-08-09 10:46 AM EDT (US) 20 / 159 they dont beat brits royal guard Mudkips did 9/11 - The way I see it is, I'm playing this game for the fun of it, not to prove that I have a fiery E-wang of doom. |
posted 02-08-09 11:45 AM EDT (US) 21 / 159 The brits fully upgraded musketeers are OP. |
posted 02-08-09 12:40 PM EDT (US) 22 / 159 they arent exactly op tyler, they are simply one of the brits advantages. iTech64 Rank: Captain My Strategies:French Semi-FF | French 2x Musket Rush | French 2x Xbow Rush My Mapguides: Northwest Territories |
posted 02-08-09 01:15 PM EDT (US) 23 / 159 i think that no upgrades for imperial abus would easily kill FU imperial redcoats, dont ya think? |
posted 02-08-09 01:58 PM EDT (US) 24 / 159 They might not be OP I guess, but they are really strong and there is just no chance as russia vs them with strelets or musk . |
posted 02-08-09 05:00 PM EDT (US) 25 / 159 what is spam ? |
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